The other night, we went to a barbeque with D’s coworkers. One of his colleagues has two kids, and they were there, too. One is roughly 13 months and the other is roughly 3. (I didn’t ask for specific ages but the mom was talking about potty training, and how they would be probably trained at the same time, at 4 and 2…so it isn’t a bad guess for the ages.)
I will say that I *used to* evaluate kids ALL. THE. TIME. Because for my job, I was evaluating kids ALL. THE. TIME., and giving these kids diagnoses that they would potentially carry with them for the rest of their lives, and *my* role in the evaluation was to ask their parents a bunch of questions and observe the kids in their home environments. But? The kids were all pretty much scoped out for me. This was for a research project, and the kids were referred by their EI (early intervention) providers for some concerning symptoms, and we had done the M-CHAT (Modified Checklist for Autism in Toddlers) on the phone with the mom, and *sometimes* we had even done the ADOS (Autism Diagnostic Observation Schedule) with the child in our lab, so I had a good sense of what the kid was doing EVEN BEFORE I was in the family’s home.
So I spent a lot of my time with “typical” toddlers (or those who did not carry a diagnosis of an ASD) observing them, too. Because I can describe what “initiating joint attention” is – in layperson’s terms – with the best of them, but to see it? Is something entirely different.
And I am slightly embarrassed to say that I would sometimes diagnose our friend’s child with an ASD, and those children appear (now, a few years later) to be completely normal.
OK, that happened once. Just once. And there were many more kids that we met that I decided were normal and, lo! – they were.
(For the record, I *NEVER* shared my opinions with other parents unless I was specifically and directly asked.)
So ANYhow, I stopped this practice probably 2 years ago, mostly because I got a decent sense of typical toddler behavior all on my own, PLUS I started evaluating teenagers and adults, and the bulk of my clinical experience to that point had been with teenagers…so it became less necessary.
I say all of that because it kind of explains my new post series, called, “My toddler…”
This weekend, we met these two kids, and the three-year old (a boy) was just kind of hanging out by himself, being cute, whatever. I honestly didn’t pay much attention to him at first. D and I got some food, put it on plates, and walked out to the balcony where other people were hanging out. Little Guy came out, plopped himself next to me, and, without LOOKING up at me or saying a word, reached over to my plate, dragged it over in front of himself, and proceeded to eat my grilled corn on the cob.
Which was, frankly, hilarious. I just got up and got another piece of corn.
Then there was a cordless phone in the middle of the table. He reached out to the phone and started messing with the buttons. I decided that was probably not the best idea (his parents were inside, and the rest of the table was totally not paying attention to him), and redirected him by asking him if *I* could see the phone. I reached out my hands. Again without making any eye contact, he handed the phone over, and then proceeded to take his (my?) corn, go over to the grill on the balcony, and try to stick his corn in the grill by saying, “Hot.” “Hot.”
Which we interpreted to mean, “I would like this corn hot”.
(The grill was off by that point, for those of you wondering about child abuse and neglect here…)
So one thing, that I am not going to ask about because I *KNOW* without asking, is that this child’s expressive language is delayed. VERY delayed. Two-word phrases, all prompted (some less prompted than others, but the unprompted, spontaneous language was all comprised of single words), and very few of the phrases included a subject, like, “Corn hot”, or “I go in”, etc. So let’s leave the language alone, because it is clearly an issue.
However, here are the things that I would normally pick up as a concern:
1) The taking food without looking up at me and making eye contact. Yes, it was funny. But do three-year-olds typically make eye contact when taking something? The food was certainly far enough from him that he PROBABLY did not think it was his, but the way he grabbed it…well, he probably did know it wasn’t his. In fact, later in the evening, he proceeded to grab food off my plate again (I really don’t care about that), and his mom was sitting next to him, scolded him, and he looked up at me again, as if to ask if he could take the raspberry…which says to me that he knows how to ask permission.
(Nonverbal kids can still “ask permission” to take things, by using joint attention and eye contact.)
So…does your kid make eye contact when grabbing something from someone else? A stranger? A familiar face? A parent?
2) Eye contact, round two: if someone asks your child to hand them something, does s/he make eye contact with the individual asking for the object?
3) Tantrums: if your child likes an object, and is playing with the object, and a stranger asks him to hand it over (in a happy, fun voice), how would he respond?
4) Playing with the grill: this is a two-part question:
a) Does your three-year old know that something is “hot”, and should not be touched?
b) Does your three-year old try to mimic you, by putting things in the grill (or on the stove)?
5) When saying goodbye, does your three-year old:
a) wave upon mom/dad saying, “Say bye-bye”, or in response to others waving to him/her
b) Wave on his own, because he knows he’s leaving, and that’s what you do when you’re leaving
c) not wave.
I will post the description of what *I* might be looking for in an evaluation of a toddler (either typical or with suspected ASD) in my next post. I’m really curious to know whether I am too harsh in my interviews (maybe? Although I follow the algorithm of the interview VERY tightly) and whether my image of a “typical” toddler is, in fact, “typical”.
So…what does your (2-4 year old) kid do? (**Don’t worry, these questions comprise only a *TINY* proportion of what I ask about, so even if your answers are, “never looks at anyone, doesn’t wave, and plays with fire”, I will not think any differently of your child.)
Thanks for your responses!

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April 27, 2009 at 8:38 pm
liz
I teach three-year-olds (I wouldn’t consider them toddlers) and they are more verbal. Although his receptive language seems ok – he handed you the phone when you asked.
2) Eye contact, round two: if someone asks your child to hand them something, does s/he make eye contact with the individual asking for the object?
Not necessarily – depends on what they’re doing. They could be distracted by something else, and then they wouldn’t look.
3) Tantrums: if your child likes an object, and is playing with the object, and a stranger asks him to hand it over (in a happy, fun voice), how would he respond?
“when I’m done” “no, I’m using that.” “it’s mine!”
4) Playing with the grill: this is a two-part question:
a) Does your three-year old know that something is “hot”, and should not be touched?
mostly
b) Does your three-year old try to mimic you, by putting things in the grill (or on the stove)?
well on a pretend stove or grill – sure
5) When saying goodbye, does your three-year old:
a) wave upon mom/dad saying, “Say bye-bye”, or in response to others waving to him/her
yes
b) Wave on his own, because he knows he’s leaving, and that’s what you do when you’re leaving
yes
c) not wave.
if they do this, they bury their head into dad’s leg and pretend to be shy – even if they played with you all morning long.
April 27, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Nicki
This is for Addy, who is 3 tomorrow.
1) yes, to all. unless she was being sassy. or was concentrating on something else. Or distracted.
2) yes (although if she’s pissed, she’s likely to throw it randomly and possibly look away! LOL)
3) she would do it without hesitation. Usually she’d be happy to share but at least a third of the time she’d probably not be ready to stop playing. She might tear up, in that event.
4) a) yes b) no
5) a – sometimes. Honestly she’s mixed on whether she’ll give a big hug goodbye unprompted, wave when prompted or just walk away already having shifted into what we are doing next. It depends on her mood, her level of distraction and who we’re talking about. What she DOES do is spontaneously engage total strangers by waving HELLO. Not sure how I feel about that one – have yet to have a child so social.
I’m tyring to think of what the answers might be for my boys when they were toddlers. 2 of the 3 were very socially anxious and would have probably had very different answers. They didn’t have issues with eye contact with people they trusted but if it was a stranger, they might have averted out of anxiousness or shyness. Neither of them do it now (at ages 14 and 7) but I would say it’s 90% probable that they both did it during ages 2-4.
April 28, 2009 at 5:28 am
Julia
I don’t have a three year old so I can’t answer these questions (I don’t have a kid at all, actually), but being a foreigner in a land with totally different customs and cultures, I started to think.
To what extend is there flexibility to account for differences in culture? In some cultures, many more than I initially thought, eye contact isn’t good. In some cultures, children are to be seen and not heard.
Clearly reaching for your corn negates some of these factors, plus the fact that how many of these cultural differences are learned later in life? But, it’s something to think about.
April 28, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Laura
Matty’s two, but I’ll give it a go, anyway!
So…does your kid make eye contact when grabbing something from someone else? A stranger? A familiar face? A parent?
*** Yes. Always. He doesn’t often grab things, though, because that’s one of my pet peeves, so he’s learned to ask *most* of the time.***
2) Eye contact, round two: if someone asks your child to hand them something, does s/he make eye contact with the individual asking for the object?
***Yes, unless he doesn’t want to give it up. Then he avoid eye contact and pretends the pesron is not there, hoping to hold onto whatever they’re asking for. It’s the whole – If I don’t acknowledge you, you’re not there and I don’t have to give whatever it is I have away – thing***
3) Tantrums: if your child likes an object, and is playing with the object, and a stranger asks him to hand it over (in a happy, fun voice), how would he respond?
***See above. Usually gives it up. Otherwise acts like person doesn’t exist. With strangers, Mattix sometimes ignores them, anyway, and looks to me.***
4) Playing with the grill: this is a two-part question:
a) Does your three-year old know that something is “hot”, and should not be touched?
***Oh, yeah. He goes around the house and reminds me, “Hot, careful!” with things that get hot – my flat iron, the oven, the toaster, the coffee maker, the grill, the fire pit, etc.***
b) Does your three-year old try to mimic you, by putting things in the grill (or on the stove)?
***No, because I’d freak out. He’s so good about not touching hot things*** (Watch, he’s totally going to burn himself now that I wrote that.)
5) When saying goodbye, does your three-year old:
a) wave upon mom/dad saying, “Say bye-bye”, or in response to others waving to him/her
***Usually. “Sometimes not with strangers.***
b) Wave on his own, because he knows he’s leaving, and that’s what you do when you’re leaving
***Usually, with people he knows***
c) not wave.
***Only if he’s too busy, or if its someone he doesn’t know and doesn’t care to know.***
April 30, 2009 at 9:48 am
Christina
Interesting topic! Actually, very interesting to me because our nephew is autistic and I see some of the characteristics – on the very minor end of the scale – in my (bio) kids. Both of my older kids are introverted and tend to be uncomfortable around people they don’t know. I often have to remind my son (now 12) to make eye contact. But I honestly don’t remember if he made good eye contact at 3 and just got worse as he got closer to adolescence. Both kids had good vocabularies, though my son was a little slower to start talking.
Regarding the comment about other cultures – that did come in to play a little with Zeeb, in multiple ways. He often looked down when we talked to him (I still sometimes have to put my hands on his face and sort of “cup” his eyes so that he has no choice but to look me in the eye, when I’m trying to make sure he is listening and acknowledging what I’m saying.) Also, Vietnamese smile when they are uncomfortable – boy can that send mixed messages when Zeeb is in trouble! But that’s a whole ‘other topic, completely unrelated to autism….
April 30, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Robin
T turns 2 next month, so he’s much younger, but I’ll play, too.
1. I don’t think he’s ever been near food not at a table (a strict rule in our house), and he can’t reach anyone else’s plate. So I had no idea and set up and experiment. I sat closer to him this morning and without looking at me or hesitation, he grabbed greedily at my food. =)
2. Yep – eye contact unless he’s distracted.
3. Anywhere from happily handing it over to saying no and turning away. If the person tried to take it anyway, he might tantrum if he’s cranky.
4a. Yes but he likes to test us on this CONSTANTLY and I live in mortal fear he’s going to burn his hands off. I draw a 15 foot chalk perimeter around the grill and make him sit outside the line, but he still likes to dash across it if we don’t watch him like a hawk.
4b. Nope. There are only 2 things in this house that earn him instant time-out – touching the oven/stove and physical violence.
5a. Yes with people he knows
5b. Yes with people he knows
5c. What Liz said